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исходная универсальная целостность

English translation: basic universal integrity

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Russian term or phrase:исходная универсальная целостность
English translation:basic universal integrity
Entered by: Susan Welsh

22:27 Nov 27, 2020
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Psychology / philosophy
Russian term or phrase: исходная универсальная целостность
From a book on "activity theory":

Работы Гегеля и Маркса утвердили рядом с традиционным пониманием деятельности другое, на наш взгляд, более глубокое. Согласно ему, человеческая социальная деятельность должна рассматриваться не как атрибут отдельного человека, а как **исходная универсальная целостность,** значительно более широкая, чем он сам. Не отдельные индивиды тогда создают и производят деятельность, а наоборот, она сама "захватывает" их и заставляет вести себя определенным образом.

primary/original universal integrity?

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Thanks in advance.
Susan Welsh
United States
Local time: 20:42
initial universal integrity
Explanation:
Apparently, the answer to the question asked above is more complicated than it seems to be. Parallel with conventional viewpoints, another, more profound perception of what is activity has been established. According to the latter, the human activity should be treated not as an attribute of individual, but as an initial universal integrity, which is more comprehensive than “individuals” themselves: “activity is not initiated and produced by the individuals; on the contrary, it involves them, and force them to behave in a certain manner”

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/AI98/AI98022...
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Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
United States
Local time: 20:42
Grading comment
I think with "basic" (and without "totality") it makes more sense. Thanks for your research, Frank. Thanks to the others, too.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3initial universal integrity
Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
2initial universal continuity
Lesia Kutsenko
2basic yet universal holism
IrinaN


Discussion entries: 3





  

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initial universal continuity


Explanation:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/continuity/

Lesia Kutsenko
Canada
Local time: 20:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
initial universal integrity


Explanation:
Apparently, the answer to the question asked above is more complicated than it seems to be. Parallel with conventional viewpoints, another, more profound perception of what is activity has been established. According to the latter, the human activity should be treated not as an attribute of individual, but as an initial universal integrity, which is more comprehensive than “individuals” themselves: “activity is not initiated and produced by the individuals; on the contrary, it involves them, and force them to behave in a certain manner”

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/AI98/AI98022...

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
United States
Local time: 20:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PolishPolish
PRO pts in category: 31
Grading comment
I think with "basic" (and without "totality") it makes more sense. Thanks for your research, Frank. Thanks to the others, too.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  IrinaN: Sorry, Frank but it does not make much sense indeed. Your link is a literate and overall pretty poor non-native translation that Susan apparently is trying to avoid.
7 mins
  -> Don't shoot the messenger. This is what the Russian authors of the original thought the English translation ought to be.
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44 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
basic yet universal holism


Explanation:
I think some conjunction is required between 'basic' and 'universal' to make it sound more natural in English.

Google gave me quite a few hits on "basic yet universal" and "universal holism", the latter exclusively in texts on psychology.

https://studylib.net/doc/7001246/universal-holism-and-indivi...

Everything together is my cooking :-)

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Note added at 4 hrs (2020-11-28 03:16:25 GMT)
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Fundamental, elementary - anything but initial, IHO

IrinaN
United States
Local time: 19:42
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
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