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Jan 18, 2023 19:38
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English term

woman driver

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I need a derogatory, belittling term, meaning incompetent, not as good as males, making silly driving decisions - I need this for poetry translation. Thanks.
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Jan 19, 2023 09:22: philgoddard changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): Edith Kelly, Christopher Schröder, philgoddard

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Discussion

Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 30, 2023:
Thank you all Having little exposure to everyday colloquial UK/US language I seem to have forced myself to accept the "woman driver" version - thanks for your input!
(Just quite surprised at the comments questioning my moral standards - I thought we're discussing linguistic aspects here)
Christopher Schröder Jan 20, 2023:
Thanks for mansplaining it, Neil :-)
Neil Ashby Jan 19, 2023:
Ramunas.

In the UK at least, men, comedians, authors, scriptwriters, etc. have used the expression "woman driver" as an insult for decades, even if the driver is a man, for example.
The concept behind is that all female drivers are inherently bad drivers, so whenever another driver does something wrong (even without being able to determine whether or not it is a woman), then they must be a "woman driver".
You could emphasis that it is an insult by saying something like:
"Typical! Woman driver!"
Sofia Gutkin Jan 19, 2023:
@Ramunas Just because you ask for it three times doesn't mean you're going to get "several belittling terms". As several people have said "woman driver" is it. I think people are wondering why you're translating such poetry (who would write this kind of poetry anyway?).
AllegroTrans Jan 18, 2023:
Ramunas No need to say it 4X
Four native English speakers have given you your answer.
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
I need a belittling term Better, a few, for me to choose from.
I'm not into discussing how (in)appropriate they are.
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
I need a belittling term Better, a few, for me to choose from.
I'm not into discussing how (in)appropriate they are.
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
I need a belittling term Better, a few, for me to choose from.
I'm not into discussing how (in)appropriate they are.
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
I need a belittling term Better, a few, for me to choose from.
I'm not into discussing how (in)appropriate they are.
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
Serious? What do you mean?
philgoddard Jan 18, 2023:
I deleted my comment, are you serious, by mistake.

You're asking us to
1. Tell you how to say "woman driver" in English. The answer is "woman driver"
2. Perpetuate an offensive and outdated stereotype
Ramunas Kontrimas (asker) Jan 18, 2023:
Serious? What do you mean?

Responses

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Woman driver

Is already a belittling and misogynistic term when males say it. Even some women say it in a sneering way.

Nothing more is needed or used to my knowledge. This term already conjures up the images you want. WHY you want them however is another thing

You should mark this question as "potentially offensive"

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Note added at 1 hr (2023-01-18 21:07:04 GMT)
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OK Ramunas, I understand that sometimes we have to use terms in translations we wouldn't normally use in such a way ourselves.

This term is SOOOO widespread and it seems like a majority of males, and some women too, think we are all useless, incompetent drivers.
Note from asker:
Thank you Yvonne. WHY I need it, I said in my question - to translate poetry.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : Yes, you can't get much more belittling and misogynistic!
21 mins
Thanks Tony! Yes indeed.
agree philgoddard : Women are better drivers in my experience. Except when my wife puts her makeup on at 75 mph.
32 mins
Thanks!// LOL! Women have to be multitasking all the time you see :-)
agree Christopher Schröder
1 hr
Thanks:-)
agree AllegroTrans : Nothing more needed - to a native English speaker the term is derogatory, especially in a certain tone of voice. I know of no other term.
3 hrs
Many thanks:-)
agree Edith Kelly
10 hrs
Thanks!
agree Barbara Carrara
12 hrs
Thanks Barbara
agree Neil Ashby
14 hrs
Many thanks
agree Anastasia Kalantzi : How could I hardly agree but both disagree at the same time having a parashutist daughter and myself as diplomed fork-lift truck driver in an electrological equipment factory for 5 years..
9 days
Thank you!
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15 hrs

Asian drivers

Depending on the region of the world, in the US, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, etc. then the term "Asian driver/s" is also understood to mean a "bad driver".
Obviously it's not sexist, but you could always add "Asian woman driver".
Peer comment(s):

disagree AllegroTrans : I doubt whether this answers Asker's question; he did specify "women"// well I (and others) disagree with Asker; there is no other effective term & your suggestion is racist as opposed to sexist
14 hrs
The asker also said several times that "woman driver" on it's own wasn't enough. Plus, I also doubted the same, which is why I said he could use "Asian woman driver", but maybe you didn't manage to read that far?//So you didn't read that far again? LOL
disagree Anastasia Kalantzi : The same with AT.
8 days
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