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Oct 31, 2018 23:52
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German term

Schwimmschuhe

German to English Other Sports / Fitness / Recreation
The ones in my text are described as 2.3 metres in length. Here is a link to a different page which must surely show the item in question:
https://www.lr-online.de/lausitz/luckau/ueber-den-schwieloch...
Most images on Google show shoes for swimmers.
I have found a couple of non-ENS pages with suggestions and have a backstop solution.
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
2 cross-water walking skis
3 +2 floating shoes
3 +1 stand-up paddle skis
3 Water inflatable floating shoes
2 bouyancy shoes
References
More info on the history of the product in your first link
Bade- und Schwimmschuhe zum Schnorcheln und Tauchen

Discussion

Björn Vrooman Nov 3, 2018:
@Lancashireman I think I haven't posted this one (though it's part of the list at the bottom of the other pages I linked to):
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5593334A/en

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Lancashireman (asker) Nov 3, 2018:
Thanks to all contributors It might have been better to post Schwimmschuhlaufen (i.e. the activity) as the source term, because I believe it is possible to work back from there to the name of the footwear. It’s obviously not any kind of ‘running’, as the videos show. Mere ‘floating’ doesn’t do justice to the sport either, as the intention is clearly to move across the water, albeit at a very ponderous rate. I can see the resemblance to ‘cross-country skiing’ with the use of the buoyant ‘ski poles’. However, I also see a danger here of confusion with the high-speed sport of ‘water skiing’. To make the contrast clear between Schwimmschuhlaufen and Wasserskilaufen, I think we have to call the former water walking. I came to the conclusion that the ‘Schuhe’ element (‘shoes’ or ‘boots’) could be bypassed in the translation by the simple addition of the suffix -er (by analogy with sneakers and waders). In the final version of the text, the noun form I chose was water walkers.
Björn Vrooman Nov 2, 2018:
No worries Here's a better one RE BBC and Edinburgh: http://buoyancyshoes.blogspot.com

These are all, well, no more than prototypes.

I think the patents really are a good start. This one I had posted:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5120249A/en

Now, please see the first image shown here:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3027576A/en

That's what Lancashireman posted, IMO.

This here's a non-ENS U.S. patent--at a time when GT wasn't really around =):
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4527984A/en

All of them contain drawings that are two or three decades old, i.e., while there may not be one term for this, it can't be said that there aren't ENS sources to choose from.

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Mair A-W (PhD) Nov 2, 2018:
@Bjorn No, somehow managed to read your post and miss them completely, sorry :/
Björn Vrooman Nov 2, 2018:
@Mair Did you not see the two links I posted? BBC and MESA?
Mair A-W (PhD) Nov 2, 2018:
buoyancy shoe (when spelt correctly) also has EN refs?
Björn Vrooman Nov 2, 2018:
I'm torn here I don't like floating at all. These are floating shoes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR27UUssWoE

Ha ha.

I can find some support for Ramey's answer:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/2936199.stm
http://alliance.sdccmesa.com/archives/7097

But I prefer herbalchemist's ski idea (which I thought of too, considering the shape of those "shoes"). I am curious why no one has mentioned this link:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5120249A/en

It's from 1991(!). And it's a near-perfect match to Alison's gneven link (see Details there). Water walkers, as mentioned in another patent, is an idea from 1985, though I have some issues with calling it walking. It's more like cross-country skiing, which makes them cross-water skis.

Also, these are the only two answers I can find ENS references for. That was the whole point of the question.

Best wishes
Mair A-W (PhD) Nov 1, 2018:
Jesus shoes ... walk on water with these ...
Ramey Rieger (X) Nov 1, 2018:
Some ideas foot rafts
walk-on-water footwear
flatboat footwear
And then there's bouyancy shoes https://www.quora.com/What-is-buoyancy-shoe
Lancashireman (asker) Nov 1, 2018:
Non-ENS = not convincing as native English sources

As I've said, I have a backstop, but I didn't want to anticipate any answers that might be offered. I am hoping for something better than 'swimming shoes'. They may be 'inflatable shoes', but equally they may be made from cork or some other buoyant material.

floating shoes?
water walking shoes?
canoe shoes?
Or maybe something with boots?
Lancashireman (asker) Nov 1, 2018:
Another image (right) http://www.goohsen.de/toepferferien/sport---freizeit.html

Proposed translations

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cross-water walking skis

A Slovenian (admittedly not necessary an ENS), is devloping similar items and calls them 'cross-water walking skis' (looks like cross-country skiing on the water).
Reference:

http://www.abh2o.com/

https://newatlas.com/abh20-cross-country-water-skis/29946/

Note from asker:
I am wary of including 'ski' in the translation, as this morpheme is too much associated with the high-speed sport of water skiing. This was the only answer to include the walking element.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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3 hrs

floating shoes

Note from asker:
Thanks. I guess the users are hoping to do more than just stay afloat - and await rescue :-)
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard : Lots of possibilities, but a literal translation works fine.
6 hrs
Thank you, I do not think there is a standard term for this equipment just yet, so it is really up to the translator...
agree Darin Fitzpatrick
1 day 6 hrs
Thank you.
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5 hrs

Water inflatable floating shoes

As available on amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Water-inflatable-floating-shoes-sport...





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If someone had to buy these, what would they look for?
I'm thinking "floating" is the keyword. There are a variety of swimming/aqua/water shoes available. But none of them look like these floating shoes.
Note from asker:
Thanks. I guess the users are hoping to do more than just stay afloat - and await rescue :-) Also, we can't be sure that they are inflatable and not just made of naturally buoyant material.
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7 hrs

bouyancy shoes

Perhaps
Note from asker:
Thanks for buoyancy shoes. Sounds more like a military than a leisure concept, though :-( Some other good ideas in the Discussion Box, especially walk-on-water shoes.
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9 hrs

stand-up paddle skis

Might sound fun to sports people (not me).

A cross between a stand-up paddle board and water skis.

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Actually, "paddle skis" seems to be a common designation for this type of sports equipment.

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-russian/sports-fitness...

http://www.chasingtherainbow.net/port-elizabeths-top-5-sizzl...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeguard
Lifeguards in South Africa...
Common equipment used by lifeguards in rescue situations are: Rigid torpedo buoys, soft torpedo buoys, rescue craft (malibu boards), paddle skis, box line, throw line and spinal boards.

http://www.southafrica.com/activities/water-sports/
Paddle skiing, skiing and surf skiing are also great ways to make use of the big blue sea.

https://www.divingcairns.com.au/island2
The water temperature surrounding the island averages 27.0 C year round and ideal for swimming, fishing, paddle skiing, canoeing and sailing.

https://www.atlanticsurfco.co.za/about-us/
Anton started paddle skiing in 1976 at Big Bay... Anton studied personnel management for four years and started the Fury Surfboard factory in Cape Town in 1987 during this time. He’s shaped and laminated thousands of surfboards, windsurf boards and paddleskies.

There's a video/photo, but it's new or not popular in the US (2016).
https://www.ski.com/blog/one-plank-or-two-new-riverskis-enli...
In recent years, we’ve seen daring skiers bring their two-planked set-ups to tow-in surfing sites, and just this week, we learned of a new company making stand-up paddle skis for “river skiing.”

As you can see by my previous Kudoz answers, I totally agree with a literal translation that doesn't have substantial meaning in any predominantly English-speaking society if it's too difficult to find an equivalent ;)

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Found a UK source, of sorts:
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-paddle-ski-innovat...
(1961)
An inventor demonstrates paddle skis before the Stand Up Paddleboarding revolution.

Another video of "SUP skis" (by a N. European inventor?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7knV2Q0ouc

With Santa Claus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gizuDo2sdo

Branded as "Cross-water walking skis."
http://www.abh2o.com/

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I mean marketed. Brand is ABH2O. That's the most I can do.
Based on my wanderings around the WWW, I actually assumed that Wasserschuhe was a poor translation from a SE Asian language.
Note from asker:
Inventive! I am wary of including 'ski' in the translation, as this morpheme is too much associated with the high-speed sport of water skiing. paddles > poles?
Peer comment(s):
agree Birgit Gläser : in view of stand-up paddle boards imO the best solution
7 hrs
Thanks, Birgit. Not sure us nerds are the best ppl to ask. But I predict we will see more of these as SUP is supposed to be the next "revolution" in water sports!
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Reference comments

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Reference:

More info on the history of the product in your first link

You won't be able to use this, but it may still be of interest. The original design was going to be marketed in the US under the name Seawalks.

Seit 2005 werden die"Mecklenburger Schwimmschuhe" in Mecklenburg Vorpommern in Kleinserie produziert. Der Produktionsort liegt im kleinen Ort Warsow, direkt bei Schwerin.

Die Idee vom Laufen auf dem Wasser ist schon sehr alt. Bereits Leonardo da Vinci entwarf dafür ein Gerät. Bekannte Patente gibt es seit 1870. Im"Neuen Universum" von 1936/37 wird das Bild eines Schwimmschuhläufers gezeigt, der sich noch miteinem Doppelpaddel vorwärts bewegt.

Die modernen Schwimmschuhe wurden Mitte der 80iger Jahre beim VEB Wiking in Schwerin unter hoher Geheimhaltung für einen amerikanischen Händler unter dem Namen "Seawalks"weiterentwickelt und auch auf der Messe in Leipzig vorgestellt. Sie bestanden aus Halbschalen, die in Handarbeit hergestellt wurden und ausgeschäumt wurden. Nach Beendigung der Produktion gerieten sie beinahe in Vergessenheit.

Aber einige Exemplare tauchten 2003 beim Aufräumen einer alten Scheune in Godern bei Schwerin wieder auf, ohne daß jemand etwas mit ihnen anzufangen wußte. Durch einen Zufall erfuhren wir davon und konnten den Entdeckern zeigen, wie man mit den Seawalks auf dem Wasser laufen kann. Dadurch entwickelte sich mit den noch vorhandenen Schwimmschuhen ein regionales Freizeitvergnügen am Strand des PinnowerSee´s.
http://www.gneven.de/schwimmschuhe/geschichte.htm

Erste "Seawalks"-Meisterschaft in Godern
Die Schwimmschuhe seien Mitte der 1980er Jahre beim Volkseigenen Bootsbau-Betrieb Wiking in Schwerin unter hoher Geheimhaltung für einen amerikanischen Händler unter dem Namen "Seawalks" entwickelt worden.
https://www.welt.de/welt_print/regionales/article9226622/Sch...

Another similar article refers the reader to the site www.schwimmschuhe.de for more information. On that site, the terms Schwimmschuhe and Wasserwanderschuhe are used interchangeably.

Leonardo Da Vinci's walk-on-water shoes
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2ncy8zGOFdcC&pg=PT17&dq=...

Perhaps your own suggestion of water walking shoes or Ramey's walk-on-water shoes [footwear]
Note from asker:
Thanks for Seawalks. I think the term used has to include the element of 'walk[ing]'.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral Darin Fitzpatrick : The Cinderella film "Ever After" has Leonardo as a character, and he is shown testing out these shoes.
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Reference:

Bade- und Schwimmschuhe zum Schnorcheln und Tauchen

Badeschuhe fürs Meer Die besten Bade- / Schwimmschuhe
https://schnorcheln24.de/die-besten-schwimmschuhe-badeschuhe...
16 abr. 2018 - Bade- und Schwimmschuhe zum Schnorcheln und Tauchen sind also eine sinnvolle Ergänzung zur anderen Schnorchelkleidung, eigenen ...

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Beachwalker 2 - Aqua Sphere
www.aquasphereswim.com/uk/...footwear/.../426-beachwalker-2
BUY NOW The Beachwalker 2.0 is a stylish evolution of the classic Aqua Sphere neoprene Beachwalker pool shoe. Made of high quality materials to ensure...

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Glad to have been of help with the Beachwalker reference pointing you to 'walker' as footwear.
Note from asker:
Thanks. Please take a look at the Schwimmschuhe shown in my link. Not for Schnorcheln und Tauchen.
Thanks for Beachwalker. This put me onto the idea of 'walker' also being a name for the footwear.
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