Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Nov 29, 2007 14:02
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Spanish term
Spain
censo
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
History
The following is the only definition I have found that might make sense in the context, but I don't see quite how. And I don't know if Josef and Josph are the same person.
Censo:
2 (Hist, Fin) (=tributo) tax, (=alquiler) (annual) ground rent
En otro documento aparece este Josef de Aragón, como arrendatario de Manuel Antonio de Aguirre, de su obrador en la calle Santa María de Oñati (140-).
Joseph de Aragón Carrillo, tenía **censo** por 4.510 reales a razón de un 2%, fundó este **censo** en nombre del Convento de la Purísima Concepción de Arrasate y a favor de la Santísima Trinidad de Bidaurreta.
Censo:
2 (Hist, Fin) (=tributo) tax, (=alquiler) (annual) ground rent
En otro documento aparece este Josef de Aragón, como arrendatario de Manuel Antonio de Aguirre, de su obrador en la calle Santa María de Oñati (140-).
Joseph de Aragón Carrillo, tenía **censo** por 4.510 reales a razón de un 2%, fundó este **censo** en nombre del Convento de la Purísima Concepción de Arrasate y a favor de la Santísima Trinidad de Bidaurreta.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | census |
Brian McDougall
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| 3 +1 | rent |
liz askew
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| 3 | charter /annuity contract |
Sandra Rodriguez
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Change log
Dec 27, 2007 19:32: Brian McDougall Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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census
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03533a.htm
I agree that it's rent, but here's a reference to census in an ecclesiastical sense and which seems to fit.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 16:26:11 GMT)
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(Though you'd probably need a footnote!)
I agree that it's rent, but here's a reference to census in an ecclesiastical sense and which seems to fit.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-11-29 16:26:11 GMT)
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(Though you'd probably need a footnote!)
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
liz askew
: What an interesting site, Brian! I can only say that this is a translation itself, or else it is written by a non-native English speaker as there are errors in the English. So be careful!
6 days
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Brian, I still haven't made up my mind exactly how to translate this, but the article you found is absolutely right on, and clarifies the circumstances. Thank you very much."
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Sandra Rodriguez
Puerto Rico
Puerto Rico
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Puerto Rico
Related KudoZ points
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16
charter /annuity contract
Sugiero esos términos como ideas para seguir buscando algo adecuado al contexto legal de la época y lugar de referencia.
Entre otras definiciones de “censo” la REA ofrece:
(Derecho) Contrato por el cual se sujeta un inmueble al pago de un canon o pensión anual, bien como interés perpetuo de un capital recibido, bien como reconocimiento de la propiedad cedida inicialmente.
Canon o pensión anual que se paga por este contrato.
Entre otras definiciones de “censo” la REA ofrece:
(Derecho) Contrato por el cual se sujeta un inmueble al pago de un canon o pensión anual, bien como interés perpetuo de un capital recibido, bien como reconocimiento de la propiedad cedida inicialmente.
Canon o pensión anual que se paga por este contrato.
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44 mins
rent
Based on this site:
It would help others if we knew which century this was about =)
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:yk2aAGiHOugJ:libro.uca....
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-29 15:09:53 GMT)
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The Spanish Labyrinth: An Account of the Social and Political ... - Google Books Result
by Gerald Brenan - 1950 - History - 404 pages
The tenant paid a quit-rent, usually about 2 per cent of the capital value ... In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries the population of Galicia began ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521398274...
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-29 15:12:51 GMT)
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http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:liG1KaPK1QIJ:www.eco.un...
The complex and expensive irrigation system, and the frontier character
during the 10
th
/12
th
centuries, explain the concentration of settlements in larger villages
(villas) and cities (1.200 inhabitants was the average size at the end of 18
th
century).
Land ownership tended to be concentrated in hands of a few (nobility, church, urban
oligarchy), and tenants obtained the arable land through lease, sharecropping or
emphyteusis. Artisans (clustered in guilds) abounded in the bigger villages and, in
general, the number of salaried workers and poor men rosein the 18
th
century.
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Note added at 6 days (2007-12-06 13:41:27 GMT) Post-grading
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I think you need to stick with "rent"...."census" has a totally different meaning in English, and the site Brian sent you, although fascinating, is not written by a bona fide English person...
See these pages:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channe...
So,
I think you should put "rent" and then explain in greater detail with a footnote, otherwise you risk confusing the reader.
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Note added at 6 days (2007-12-06 13:42:37 GMT) Post-grading
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I sometimes wonder why I go to so much bother researching these terms, when you accept a translation/non-bona fide English word "census"??
It would help others if we knew which century this was about =)
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:yk2aAGiHOugJ:libro.uca....
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-29 15:09:53 GMT)
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The Spanish Labyrinth: An Account of the Social and Political ... - Google Books Result
by Gerald Brenan - 1950 - History - 404 pages
The tenant paid a quit-rent, usually about 2 per cent of the capital value ... In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries the population of Galicia began ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521398274...
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-11-29 15:12:51 GMT)
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http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:liG1KaPK1QIJ:www.eco.un...
The complex and expensive irrigation system, and the frontier character
during the 10
th
/12
th
centuries, explain the concentration of settlements in larger villages
(villas) and cities (1.200 inhabitants was the average size at the end of 18
th
century).
Land ownership tended to be concentrated in hands of a few (nobility, church, urban
oligarchy), and tenants obtained the arable land through lease, sharecropping or
emphyteusis. Artisans (clustered in guilds) abounded in the bigger villages and, in
general, the number of salaried workers and poor men rosein the 18
th
century.
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Note added at 6 days (2007-12-06 13:41:27 GMT) Post-grading
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I think you need to stick with "rent"...."census" has a totally different meaning in English, and the site Brian sent you, although fascinating, is not written by a bona fide English person...
See these pages:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channe...
So,
I think you should put "rent" and then explain in greater detail with a footnote, otherwise you risk confusing the reader.
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Note added at 6 days (2007-12-06 13:42:37 GMT) Post-grading
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I sometimes wonder why I go to so much bother researching these terms, when you accept a translation/non-bona fide English word "census"??
Note from asker:
| It's the late 18th century, a history of chocolate in the Pais Vasco. |
| Liz, I don't know which term I will use, but the article was the most helpful to me in doing additional research. Here is another definition that I found. census 1613, from L. census, originally pp. of censere "to assess" (see censor). Believe me I understand what you are saying and your research was really helpful. I had found "ground rent" but had not seen the religious definitions which were harder to come by. That's why I gave the points to the other answer. Please don't feel discouraged. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Jackie Bowman
: Yes. Specifically "ground rent" according to Oxford.
1 hr
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Sure, but we're talking 18th century here..Did "go
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Discussion
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