Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
kgl. Rat
English translation:
königliche Rat
Added to glossary by
Mary Burdman
Mar 16 21:03
2 mos ago
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German term
Canada
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Native in: English (Variant: Canadian) 
Works in: Latin to English, German to English
kgl. Rat
German to English
Social Sciences
History
Honourific official titles in early modern times
"der Kgl. Rat Sieur de Saint-Gabriel..."
I know what 'Rat' it is as an official title in pre-modern times...but what is the abbreviation Kgl. for? An honourific?
I know what 'Rat' it is as an official title in pre-modern times...but what is the abbreviation Kgl. for? An honourific?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | königliche Rat |
Mary Burdman
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| 4 +1 | (Can.) King's Privy Councillor |
Adrian MM.
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Change log
Mar 30, 2024 21:16: Mary Burdman Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Mary Burdman
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königliche Rat
I think this is the term - like a Conseil royal in French.
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Would be King's Council or Royal Council in English.
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By adding this, I am apparently being sent to the bottom, but I had to look up that 'Sieur' is an old French word for 'Sir,' so it would be a person. However, the question was about the German abbreviation kgl., which is **königliche** here. In future, Michael, please include more detail (such as the translation of Sieur) in questions - makes things easier!
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Would be King's Council or Royal Council in English.
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Note added at 16 hrs (2024-03-17 13:16:35 GMT)
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By adding this, I am apparently being sent to the bottom, but I had to look up that 'Sieur' is an old French word for 'Sir,' so it would be a person. However, the question was about the German abbreviation kgl., which is **königliche** here. In future, Michael, please include more detail (such as the translation of Sieur) in questions - makes things easier!
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: I don't see anything that indicates this is a person.
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Michele Fauble
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philgoddard
: This is a person, not a group. You're confusing council and counsel.
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kgl. is königliche, which was the question, but you are right, it should be counsel.
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Arne Krueger
: No, it can be a person alone. See discussion entry.
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Andrew Bramhall
: An ENGLISH translation was requested;
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Adrian MM.
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Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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German term (edited):
kgl. / königlicher Rat
(Can.) King's Privy Councillor
Privy Councillor in England & Wales and routinely includes House of Lord - now Supreme Court - Judges. Invariably, as the Highest Court of Commonwealth Criminal Appeal and oddly complained about by minority-group acquaintances of mine at the Criminal Bar, the Privy Council is wont to commute death sentences from Commonwealth countries, esp. the Caribbean, to life imprisonment.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Your explanation doesn't make sense because of your perennial obsession with the UK - this is about France. But this would work as a translation of 'conseiller du roi' http://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conseiller_du_roi
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Reference comments
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Reference:
fwiw/hth
Curia Regis ist ein lateinischer Begriff und bezeichnete den „Königlichen Rat“ oder „Gerichtshof des Königs“ als Verwaltungsbehörden des Königs.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curia_Regis#:~:text=Curia Regi...
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"King's Council" redirects here. Not to be confused with King's Counsel.
Curia regis (Medieval Latin: [ˈkuː.ri.a ˈreː.d͡ʒis]) is a Latin term meaning "royal council" or "king's court". It was the name given to councils of advisers and administrators in medieval Europe who served kings, including kings of France, Norman kings of England and Sicily, kings of Poland and the kings and queens of Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curia_regis
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curia_Regis#:~:text=Curia Regi...
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"King's Council" redirects here. Not to be confused with King's Counsel.
Curia regis (Medieval Latin: [ˈkuː.ri.a ˈreː.d͡ʒis]) is a Latin term meaning "royal council" or "king's court". It was the name given to councils of advisers and administrators in medieval Europe who served kings, including kings of France, Norman kings of England and Sicily, kings of Poland and the kings and queens of Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curia_regis
Discussion
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raban_von_Canstein_(Politiker)