Feb 13 08:35
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French term
décollement de la plèvre
French to English
Medical
Medical (general)
Dispute with an airline over refund of booked flights.
"Les billets étaient réservés pour les passagers Monsieur AAA et Madame BBB ainsi que leurs enfants CCC et DDD.
Monsieur AAA subissait un pneumothorax droit avec décollement complet de la plèvre le 16 juin 2022.
Il était évacué d’urgence de la station de EEE puis transféré aux urgences de l’hôpital sur FFF.
Il subit alors une intervention de drainage thoracique et fut contraint de rester hospitalisé durant huit jours."
Sounds very nasty. To my amazement I can't find it (translation) anywhere. Sounds like one for Dr Manu!
"Les billets étaient réservés pour les passagers Monsieur AAA et Madame BBB ainsi que leurs enfants CCC et DDD.
Monsieur AAA subissait un pneumothorax droit avec décollement complet de la plèvre le 16 juin 2022.
Il était évacué d’urgence de la station de EEE puis transféré aux urgences de l’hôpital sur FFF.
Il subit alors une intervention de drainage thoracique et fut contraint de rester hospitalisé durant huit jours."
Sounds very nasty. To my amazement I can't find it (translation) anywhere. Sounds like one for Dr Manu!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | pleural detachment |
Robert Farren
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| 4 | (abnormal) (presence of) air in the pleural space / cavity |
Bourth
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| 4 | detachment of the tunica serosa |
Johannes Gleim
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| 4 | pleural tearing |
liz askew
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Proposed translations
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Robert Farren
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Works in: French to English, Portuguese to English, English, and 8 more.
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pleural detachment
"Following a violent shock, a severe cough or bronchitis, the pleura covering the lungs can become detached." The pleura is the membrane surrounding the lung. One pleura, two pleurae.
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To be precise, "the pleura covering the lung", or "the pleurae covering the lungs".
It's a part of your body that you know nothing about until it starts hurting, and then you learn of its existence.
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Apologies, I'm not specialised in medical translation. It's true that "pleural detachment" gets few hits, and those few could be translations from French. The clinical term is pneumothorax, in English as in French.
https://www.britannica.com/science/pneumothorax
"Pleural detachment" is just my take on how to translate the descriptive phrase cited above. You might prefer "pleural separation", "detachment of the pleura", "causing the pleura to become completely detached/separated", etc.
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Note added at 17 mins (2024-02-13 08:53:12 GMT)
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To be precise, "the pleura covering the lung", or "the pleurae covering the lungs".
It's a part of your body that you know nothing about until it starts hurting, and then you learn of its existence.
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Note added at 1 hr (2024-02-13 09:47:32 GMT)
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Apologies, I'm not specialised in medical translation. It's true that "pleural detachment" gets few hits, and those few could be translations from French. The clinical term is pneumothorax, in English as in French.
https://www.britannica.com/science/pneumothorax
"Pleural detachment" is just my take on how to translate the descriptive phrase cited above. You might prefer "pleural separation", "detachment of the pleura", "causing the pleura to become completely detached/separated", etc.
Note from asker:
| Thanks. This is the term I had found. Do you have a link to an authority? It's just that you don't claim med as one of your specialisms on your profile page. |
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Comment: "I put "pleural separation" in the end. Like you I'm not a medical specialist, but the explanations in French and English seem the same..."
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(abnormal) (presence of) air in the pleural space / cavity
appears to be how the problem is described (by doctors) in layman's terms.
A pneumothorax can be defined as air in the pleural cavity.
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Pneumothorax
Pneumothorax is the presence of air in the pleural cavity causing collapse of the lung.
https://www.ankitparakh.com/pneumothorax-or-air-in-the-pleur...
abnormal presence of air in the pleural cavity
https://accessmedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=324...
abnormal collection of air in the pleural space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax
When there is air in the pleural space, the lung partially collapses.
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/lung-and-airway-disorders/pl...
A pneumothorax can be defined as air in the pleural cavity.
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Pneumothorax
Pneumothorax is the presence of air in the pleural cavity causing collapse of the lung.
https://www.ankitparakh.com/pneumothorax-or-air-in-the-pleur...
abnormal presence of air in the pleural cavity
https://accessmedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=324...
abnormal collection of air in the pleural space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax
When there is air in the pleural space, the lung partially collapses.
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/lung-and-airway-disorders/pl...
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Johannes Gleim
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
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detachment of the tunica serosa
En anatomie, la plèvre est une membrane séreuse délimitant un espace virtuel (c'est-à-dire vide dans les situations normales) situé entre les poumons en dedans et la cage thoracique en dehors.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plèvre
The serous membrane (or serosa) is a smooth tissue membrane of mesothelium lining the contents and inner walls of body cavities, which secrete serous fluid to allow lubricated sliding movements between opposing surfaces.
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For the lungs they are called parietal and visceral pleura.
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The Latin anatomical name is tunica serosa. Serous membranes line and enclose several body cavities, also known as serous cavities, where they secrete a lubricating fluid which reduces friction from movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serous_membrane
En médecine (pneumologie), un pneumothorax est une affection de la plèvre, mettant en communication l'espace pleural et l’atmosphère (accolement de la plèvre pariétale et viscérale ; on parle de séreuses, qui tapissent respectivement la cage thoracique et les poumons). Le poumon s’affaisse alors avec des conséquences respiratoires et hémodynamiques parfois graves (notamment en cas de pneumothorax bilatéral ou suffoquant) et urgentes pouvant aller jusqu'à la mort.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax#Historique
A pneumothorax is an abnormal collection of air in the pleural space between the lung and the chest wall.[3] Symptoms typically include sudden onset of sharp, one-sided chest pain and shortness of breath.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax
Detachment of the tunica serosa and tunica muscularis led to the rapid appearance of a stronger CPB signal at the endothelium, especially within the submucosa compared to unmodified explants (Figure 2A,C and Figure S1). Detachment of the tunica serosa and tunica muscularis, however, did not lead to an increased signal intensity at endothelial cells in the villi compared to unmodified explants up to 3 h of incubation (Figure 2A,B).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4417965/
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plèvre
The serous membrane (or serosa) is a smooth tissue membrane of mesothelium lining the contents and inner walls of body cavities, which secrete serous fluid to allow lubricated sliding movements between opposing surfaces.
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For the lungs they are called parietal and visceral pleura.
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The Latin anatomical name is tunica serosa. Serous membranes line and enclose several body cavities, also known as serous cavities, where they secrete a lubricating fluid which reduces friction from movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serous_membrane
En médecine (pneumologie), un pneumothorax est une affection de la plèvre, mettant en communication l'espace pleural et l’atmosphère (accolement de la plèvre pariétale et viscérale ; on parle de séreuses, qui tapissent respectivement la cage thoracique et les poumons). Le poumon s’affaisse alors avec des conséquences respiratoires et hémodynamiques parfois graves (notamment en cas de pneumothorax bilatéral ou suffoquant) et urgentes pouvant aller jusqu'à la mort.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax#Historique
A pneumothorax is an abnormal collection of air in the pleural space between the lung and the chest wall.[3] Symptoms typically include sudden onset of sharp, one-sided chest pain and shortness of breath.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumothorax
Detachment of the tunica serosa and tunica muscularis led to the rapid appearance of a stronger CPB signal at the endothelium, especially within the submucosa compared to unmodified explants (Figure 2A,C and Figure S1). Detachment of the tunica serosa and tunica muscularis, however, did not lead to an increased signal intensity at endothelial cells in the villi compared to unmodified explants up to 3 h of incubation (Figure 2A,B).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4417965/
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pleural tearing
I had a look in Larousse and it talks of "décollement" can = "arrachement.
Tension Pneumothorax as a Complication of Inadvertent ...
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › article › abs › pii
by SJ Lewis · 2014 · Cited by 8 — Unrecognized pleural tearing led to the formation of tension pneumothorax in both patients studied. Onset of respiratory signs and symptoms
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https://www.wordreference.com/fren/décoller
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OR
"rupture"
Pneumothorax - an overview
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › medicine-and-dentistry
Pneumothorax results from the rupture of either the visceral or parietal pleural membranes allowing air to enter the pleural space. Pneumothorax is classified ...
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Pneumothorax
Geeky Medics
https://geekymedics.com › pneumothorax
28 Oct 2021 — Aetiology. Causes of primary pneumothorax include: Often unknown; May be due to rupture of a subpleural air bleb (found in the pleural space).
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:45:58 GMT)
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So,
Complete rupture of the pleural membranes
would suffice
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:48:15 GMT)
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A less recognised presenting feature of BS is with pneumothorax due to associated rupture of the parietal pleura.
Tension Pneumothorax as a Complication of Inadvertent ...
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › article › abs › pii
by SJ Lewis · 2014 · Cited by 8 — Unrecognized pleural tearing led to the formation of tension pneumothorax in both patients studied. Onset of respiratory signs and symptoms
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:42:30 GMT)
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https://www.wordreference.com/fren/décoller
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:43:37 GMT)
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OR
"rupture"
Pneumothorax - an overview
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › medicine-and-dentistry
Pneumothorax results from the rupture of either the visceral or parietal pleural membranes allowing air to enter the pleural space. Pneumothorax is classified ...
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:45:10 GMT)
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Pneumothorax
Geeky Medics
https://geekymedics.com › pneumothorax
28 Oct 2021 — Aetiology. Causes of primary pneumothorax include: Often unknown; May be due to rupture of a subpleural air bleb (found in the pleural space).
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:45:58 GMT)
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So,
Complete rupture of the pleural membranes
would suffice
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Note added at 7 ore (2024-02-13 15:48:15 GMT)
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A less recognised presenting feature of BS is with pneumothorax due to associated rupture of the parietal pleura.
Reference comments
1 hr
Reference:
ref
https://www.doctissimo.fr/sante/maladies/maladies-pulmonaire...
Le décollement de la plèvre est dû à la présence d’air dans la cavité pleurale ; il survient en cas de pneumothorax. Comme toute affection de la plèvre, ce décollement provoque généralement une vive douleur, mais il arrive qu’il passe inaperçu. Le Dr Frédéric Le Guillou, pneumologue à Le Pradet (Var) et président de l’association Santé Respiratoire France, nous décrit les causes et les symptômes d’un décollement de la plèvre, ainsi que la façon dont on diagnostique et l’on traite ce symptôme.
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https://www.passeportsante.net/fr/Maux/Problemes/Fiche.aspx?...
Le pneumothorax désigne une pathologie affectant la cavité pleurale, espace virtuel situé entre les poumons et la cage thoracique. On parle de pneumothorax lorsque cette cavité se remplit d’air ou de gaz, entraînant un décollement et une rétractation sur lui-même d’un ou des deux poumons. Le pneumothorax peut être spontané (son origine est alors inconnue), traumatique ou secondaire à une maladie pulmonaire. Il se caractérise essentiellement par une douleur thoracique brutale parfois associée à une difficulté à respirer. Le plus souvent, le pneumothorax est unilatéral. Le traitement varie en fonction du type de pneumothorax : certains évoluent spontanément vers la guérison après une mise au repos, tandis que d’autres requièrent une intervention chirurgicale.
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Le décollement de la plèvre est dû à la présence d'air dans la cavité pleurale en cas de pneumothorax
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Note added at 2 ore (2024-02-13 10:35:34 GMT)
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A pneumothorax is a collection of air outside the lung but within the pleural cavity. It occurs when air accumulates between the parietal and visceral pleura inside the chest. The air accumulation can apply pressure on the lung and make it collapse.
The second reference refers to ""un décollement et une rétraction sur lui-meme d'un ou des deux poumons"
so "décollement de la plevre" is a separate concept to "pneumothorax" and "air in the pleural cavity"
I can only find "collapse" but of the lungs, not the pleura!!!
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AND
"break"
Pneumothorax
Johns Hopkins Medicine
https://oac.med.jhmi.edu › res_phys › encyclopedia
A pneumothorax may be induced by a break in either the parietal pleura (e.g., from trauma, needle or catheter insertion) or in the visceral pleura (e.g. ...
Pneumothorax - an overview
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › medicine-and-dentistry
Pneumothorax results from the rupture of either the visceral or parietal pleural membranes allowing air to enter the pleural space. Pneumothorax is classified ...
Le décollement de la plèvre est dû à la présence d’air dans la cavité pleurale ; il survient en cas de pneumothorax. Comme toute affection de la plèvre, ce décollement provoque généralement une vive douleur, mais il arrive qu’il passe inaperçu. Le Dr Frédéric Le Guillou, pneumologue à Le Pradet (Var) et président de l’association Santé Respiratoire France, nous décrit les causes et les symptômes d’un décollement de la plèvre, ainsi que la façon dont on diagnostique et l’on traite ce symptôme.
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Note added at 1 ora (2024-02-13 10:28:42 GMT)
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https://www.passeportsante.net/fr/Maux/Problemes/Fiche.aspx?...
Le pneumothorax désigne une pathologie affectant la cavité pleurale, espace virtuel situé entre les poumons et la cage thoracique. On parle de pneumothorax lorsque cette cavité se remplit d’air ou de gaz, entraînant un décollement et une rétractation sur lui-même d’un ou des deux poumons. Le pneumothorax peut être spontané (son origine est alors inconnue), traumatique ou secondaire à une maladie pulmonaire. Il se caractérise essentiellement par une douleur thoracique brutale parfois associée à une difficulté à respirer. Le plus souvent, le pneumothorax est unilatéral. Le traitement varie en fonction du type de pneumothorax : certains évoluent spontanément vers la guérison après une mise au repos, tandis que d’autres requièrent une intervention chirurgicale.
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Note added at 1 ora (2024-02-13 10:32:57 GMT)
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Le décollement de la plèvre est dû à la présence d'air dans la cavité pleurale en cas de pneumothorax
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Note added at 2 ore (2024-02-13 10:35:34 GMT)
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A pneumothorax is a collection of air outside the lung but within the pleural cavity. It occurs when air accumulates between the parietal and visceral pleura inside the chest. The air accumulation can apply pressure on the lung and make it collapse.
The second reference refers to ""un décollement et une rétraction sur lui-meme d'un ou des deux poumons"
so "décollement de la plevre" is a separate concept to "pneumothorax" and "air in the pleural cavity"
I can only find "collapse" but of the lungs, not the pleura!!!
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Note added at 2 ore (2024-02-13 10:37:47 GMT)
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AND
"break"
Pneumothorax
Johns Hopkins Medicine
https://oac.med.jhmi.edu › res_phys › encyclopedia
A pneumothorax may be induced by a break in either the parietal pleura (e.g., from trauma, needle or catheter insertion) or in the visceral pleura (e.g. ...
Pneumothorax - an overview
ScienceDirect.com
https://www.sciencedirect.com › medicine-and-dentistry
Pneumothorax results from the rupture of either the visceral or parietal pleural membranes allowing air to enter the pleural space. Pneumothorax is classified ...
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