Nov 11, 2001 08:36
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Portuguese term
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Os "Modelos Organizadores" são definidos pelas autoras como o conjunto de representações que o sujeito realiza a partir de uma situação determinada, constituído pelos elementos que abstrai e retém como significativo entre todos os possíveis, aqueles que imagina ou infere como necessários, os significados e as implicações que lhes atribui, e as relações que estabelece entre todos eles.
MY ATTEMPT
An organising model for a subject is defined by X as "a set of representations based on a concrete situation and composed of elements that the subject extracts and retains as significant from among all the possible elements, those imagined or inferred to be necessary, the meanings and implications attributed to them and the relationships established between all of these elements".
I cannot figure out teh relationship of all teh subclauses....!
Help!! Can anyone give me spome clues?
MY ATTEMPT
An organising model for a subject is defined by X as "a set of representations based on a concrete situation and composed of elements that the subject extracts and retains as significant from among all the possible elements, those imagined or inferred to be necessary, the meanings and implications attributed to them and the relationships established between all of these elements".
I cannot figure out teh relationship of all teh subclauses....!
Help!! Can anyone give me spome clues?
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Tania Marques-Cardoso
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Hi Ailish - I have been trying to decipher the paragraph, and this is what I have come up with:
First, I think you have too many “subjects” and that is confusing. You have the subject of the organising models and then you have the subject that does the extracting and retaining. After the abstracting and retaining by this second subject in the active voice, you switch to the passive voice, and this becomes confusing.
As I understand it, in Portuglish, the meaning of the paragraph is:
The organising models are defined by the (their) authors as a series of representations that the subject (can you change this to author, creator, or something else?) carries out on the basis of a certain situation, consisting of the elements that he (gender, number) abstracts and retains as significant, the meanings and the implications that he (ditto) gives them and the relationship that he (ditto) establishes between all of them.
Hope this helps. - From another paddy working on Sunday afternoon in the throes of caffeine poisoning.
First, I think you have too many “subjects” and that is confusing. You have the subject of the organising models and then you have the subject that does the extracting and retaining. After the abstracting and retaining by this second subject in the active voice, you switch to the passive voice, and this becomes confusing.
As I understand it, in Portuglish, the meaning of the paragraph is:
The organising models are defined by the (their) authors as a series of representations that the subject (can you change this to author, creator, or something else?) carries out on the basis of a certain situation, consisting of the elements that he (gender, number) abstracts and retains as significant, the meanings and the implications that he (ditto) gives them and the relationship that he (ditto) establishes between all of them.
Hope this helps. - From another paddy working on Sunday afternoon in the throes of caffeine poisoning.
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I'll give a try
The organising models are not "for a subject" -- they are general (probably to human cognitive system). The relationship, I think, is just one more element to make up the set of representations (elements abstracted from reality and retained as significant; their meanings and implications; the relationship between the elements and their meanings and implications).
All this said, I'll give a try:
The “Organising Models” are defined by the authors as a set of representations the subject makes from a particular situation, based upon elements abstracted from reality he or she retains as significant (among all possible alternative elements), that is, those he or she imagines or infers as necessary, plus the meanings and implications he or she attributes to them and the relationships he or she establishes between these elements and their attributed meanings and implications.
Good luck!
All this said, I'll give a try:
The “Organising Models” are defined by the authors as a set of representations the subject makes from a particular situation, based upon elements abstracted from reality he or she retains as significant (among all possible alternative elements), that is, those he or she imagines or infers as necessary, plus the meanings and implications he or she attributes to them and the relationships he or she establishes between these elements and their attributed meanings and implications.
Good luck!
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