Nov 27, 2020 08:36
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Would be destroyed or would have been destroyed

Non-PRO English Other General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Basic EN grammar question (verb tenses)
If firefighters hadn't got there on time, the building .....
1- Would be destroyed
2- Would have been destroyed
Should it be a mixed conditional since the effect of the event has a present indication?

Thank you
Change log

Nov 27, 2020 09:08: Tony M changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "Basic EN grammar question"

Nov 27, 2020 17:26: writeaway changed "Field (write-in)" from "Basic EN grammar question" to "Basic EN grammar question (verb tenses)"

Nov 27, 2020 17:36: Rachel Fell changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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PRO (1): Daryo

Non-PRO (3): Yvonne Gallagher, Rob Grayson, Rachel Fell

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Discussion

Cilian O'Tuama Dec 30, 2020:
I agree with Sabrina too. Both can be legitimate/correct, even if one may be more likely.
philgoddard Nov 27, 2020:
If firefighters didn't get there on time, the building would be destroyed

If firefighters hadn't got there on time, the building would have been destroyed
Bashiqa Nov 27, 2020:
@ Yvonne Thank you. Hopefully your confirmation will bring this to a close and e-mails will stop.
Yvonne Gallagher Nov 27, 2020:
third conditional sequence of tenses so only 2. is correct here
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.ht...

I thought Kudoz was supposed to be about difficult translations not about basic English grammar?
Sheila Wilson Nov 27, 2020:
Sabrina is right, but in theory only, IMO In practice, the first suggestion will never look good in print, even if it gets said from time to time.
Bashiqa Nov 27, 2020:
@ Tony I put a confidence level of 4 thinking the question might lead to discussion. I was right. Keep up the good work my man.
Tony M Nov 27, 2020:
@ Sabrina I can't really agree with your statement: "would be destroyed" in the specific construction as given here could only be correct if 'destroyed' were taken as an adjective being used to describe the current condition of the building now — but such a construction would sound awkward and unnatural in EN here, as the first "had not arrived" invites an immediate reading with a past participle.
Were it to have been "...the building would be in ruins / blackened / weakened", then that reading would work; but the primary force of 'destroyed' here is always going to be as a past participle.
Sabrina Bruna Nov 27, 2020:
Both Yassine's proposals are correct I think that Yassine's proposals are both correct, but
1- "Would be destroyed" refers to the possible present status of the building, now it would be destroyed
2- "Would have been destroyed" refers more to the action resulting from the firefighters not getting there in time, when the fire took place: the fire would have destroyed the building.
Tony M Nov 27, 2020:
@ Asker Here, it's a simple matter of following the sequence of tenses: the 'had not got there' requires a matching past 'have been destroyed'— the 'would' is a red herring here.
Yassine El Bouknify (asker) Nov 27, 2020:
Mixed Conditional

It is possible for the two parts of a conditional sentence to refer to different times, and the resulting sentence is a "mixed conditional" sentence. There are two types of mixed conditional sentence.

https://www.ef.com/ca/english-resources/english-grammar/mixe...
Yassine El Bouknify (asker) Nov 27, 2020:
What about mixed conditionals? If + past perfect ---- present conditional? I think the statement has a relationship with the present since its effect on the building has to do with the present and future -- the building hasn't been destroyed yet. What do you think of my explanation?

Responses

+4
10 mins
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would have been destroyed

definitely "would have been destroyed".
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
17 mins
Thank you!
agree Victoria Britten
2 hrs
Thank you!
agree philgoddard : You should get the points for this.
5 hrs
Thank you!
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : It all happened in the past.
11 hrs
Thank you!
agree David Hollywood : no question about it
17 hrs
Thank you!
disagree Cilian O'Tuama : I feel I must disagree with 'definitely' and CL5. A case can be made for the other option too, even if less unlikely. Not 'definitely' wrong.
32 days
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+5
10 mins

would have been destroyed

Second of your choices.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
17 mins
Thank you.
agree Yvonne Gallagher : you should have put CL5
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree Victoria Britten
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree Bridgette Mitchell
3 hrs
Thank you.
agree David Hollywood
17 hrs
Thank you.
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+3
12 mins

would have been destroyed

If clause with past participle ---> would have + past participle
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
16 mins
agree Bashiqa : Thank you Tony.
2 hrs
agree David Hollywood
17 hrs
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+2
9 hrs

would have been destroyed

:)
Peer comment(s):

agree David Hollywood
8 hrs
neutral writeaway : is this supposed to be a new and different answer?
15 hrs
agree philgoddard : You're missing the point, writeaway :-)
1 day 20 hrs
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